AN UPDATE. Apparently Donald Trump has come to his senses and removed the language from the final EO and deleted the dangerous Syrian Safe Zones and No Fly zones. Perhaps the comments from Putin’s spokesman, or Trump’s chat with Vlad the Impaler convinced him Russia, would regard the USA seizing large chunks of Syrian land and air space was an act of war. So, I am good with Trump, now that he has turned his brain back on.
What is Trump up to in Syria? The link is here.
by Tyler Durden
Jan 26, 2017 8:51 AM
As part of his blitz of latest executive orders, which as reported yesterday would
institute sweeping changes to U.S. refugee and immigration policies including a ban
on people from countries in the Middle East and North Africa deemed as a “terror risk”,
a separate order also lays the groundwork for an escalation of U.S. military
involvement in Syria by directing the Pentagon and the State Department
to craft a plan to create safe zones for civilians fleeing the conflict there.
Trump said on Wednesday he “will absolutely do safe zones in Syria” for refugees
fleeing violence. According to a document seen by Reuters, Trump is expected to
order the Pentagon and the State Department in the coming days to come up with
a plan for the zones.
Establishing safe zones in Syria would mark an escalation in America’s military
involvement there. In addition to the initial military buildup that likely would be
needed to create the zones, ground troops and additional air power will be needed
to protect them, military officials have said. Such zones would also put U.S.-allied
forces in dangerous proximity to foreign troops, including forces from Russia
and the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
US Skips Over Russian Consultations
Regarding Plans on Safe Zone in Syria
11:57 26.01.2017(updated 13:21 26.01.2017)
US President Donald Trump’s administration should consider the implications
of establishing a safe zone in Syria, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov
U.S. House Votes to Toughen Sanctions, Assess No-Fly Zone In Syria
On November 15, 2016, the U.S. House of Representatives convened a special session with the normal rules of order suspended and passed H.R. 5732, also known as the Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act. The CSCPA passed unanimously with only forty minutes of “debate” on the floor. Because normal rules were suspended, only a few members of Congress were present for the vote and, conveniently, those members who were present were all warmongers.
The CSCPA, of course, is a bill that both toughens the sanctions on Syria and calls for the creation of a No Fly Zone.
The establishment of a “No-Fly Zone” is tantamount to a declaration of war. Such has even been admitted by top U.S. Generals when explaining exactly what a No Fly Zone would entail. As General Carter Ham stated,
We should make no bones about it. It first entails killing a lot of people and destroying the Syrian air defenses and those people who are manning those systems. And then it entails destroying the Syrian air force, preferably on the ground, in the air if necessary. This is a violent combat action that results in lots of casualties and increased risk to our own personnel.
General Philip Breedlove also echoed this description when he said,
I know it sounds stark, but what I always tell people when they talk to me about a no-fly zone is . . . it’s basically to start a war with that country because you are going to have to go in and kinetically take out their air defense capability.
When Senator Roger Wicker asked Gen. Joe Dunford what it would take to impose a No Fly Zone upon Syria, the General responded, “Right now… for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia.”
Trump and Syrian Safe Zones
By Daniel Larison • January 25, 2017, 3:30 PM
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One section of Trump’s draft executive order concerning refugees includes
a commitment to create a plan for the establishment of safe zones (or “safe areas”
as the document calls them) in Syria and “the surrounding region”:
Trump’s support for safe zones in Syria dates back many months.
It has never been clear that he understands what establishing safe zones entails,
but that hasn’t stopped him from repeatedly endorsing the idea.
I’m not sure what Trump is up to here. He seemed to understand during the campaign that creating no fly zones in Syria would lead to WAR WITH RUSSIA.
Yep, Russia and Syria will NEVER TOLERATE NO FLY ZONES. PERIOD.
If Trump has now changed his policy to create them, it means he is a fool and lied to us.
Okay, let me be clear here. I have no problem with “beating the hell out of ISIS.” No problem at all because they are ANIMALS who routinely engage in rape, torture, murder and are SCUM WHO DESERVE TO DIE.
However, if I understand what Trump and the NEOCON WARMONGERS IN THE US SENATE AND HOUSE MEAN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT A UNILATERAL CREATION OF NO FLY ZONES, SAFE ZONES INSIDE OF SYRIA. Unless I misunderstood what Putin’s spokesman said they didn’t even bother to inform Russia and Syria of this “new Policy.”
So, if you are talking about engaging with Russia and Syria in direct air strikes against ISIS I have no problem with that. However, the USA is now, apparently building a brand new base in Northeast Syria. The USA is now saying they will, without either Russian or Syrian permission “NO FLY ZONES AND SAFE ZONES.” This is an act of WAR against the independent nations of Russia and Syria.
I can’t put it any plainer: Trump on multiple times, multiple venues explicitly said he would not create no fly and safe zones. PERIOD Hellary the warmonger said she would, and we here on timebomb realized and said that would lead to WAR WITH RUSSIA AND SYRIA. Trump DOES NOT get a pass on that. If he now intends to do what he said he wouldn’t, and implement Hellary neo con warmonger policy, well just F#%$%%% HIM.
Trump doesn’t get to implement neo con warmonger policies without me calling him a neo con warmonger. At any rate, if he gets permission from both Russia and Syria, I am okay with that. If Trump arbitrarily and with malice unilaterally INVADES SYRIA AND CREATES THESE ZONES IT WILL MEAN A SHOOTING WAR WITH BOTH SYRIA AN RUSSIA. IT WILL MEAN RUSSIA WILL GO NUCLEAR.
Now, Trump has shown a real flair for playing mind games, but I AM NOT AMUSED.
Trump doesn’t get to screw around with a potential nuclear war with Russia over Syria. The phone call with Putin was somewhat, not enough, reassuring. Still, WTF is Trump up to here?